WEBVTT 00:01.670 --> 00:08.880 Prof: Since we are still in the shopping period and some 00:08.875 --> 00:12.015 turnover, I thought it might be good if I 00:12.018 --> 00:15.178 spent the first three or four minutes recapitulating from 00:15.177 --> 00:18.657 meeting one, and then a little more on 00:18.656 --> 00:22.096 meeting two, and then we'll feather that 00:22.102 --> 00:28.902 into today's topic, which is the great work of 00:28.901 --> 00:34.441 economics, and the great--the greatest and 00:34.440 --> 00:40.680 most thoughtful normative tract about markets and capitalism. 00:40.680 --> 00:45.390 I will--I'll begin, as I said, with a 00:45.387 --> 00:47.607 recapitulation. 00:47.610 --> 00:53.020 Then we'll talk about some basic components of Smith's 00:53.024 --> 00:56.764 argument, then I'll turn the slides off 00:56.757 --> 01:00.127 for awhile and we'll talk informally, 01:00.130 --> 01:06.590 and I'll include Jim Alexander in the conversation about the 01:06.593 --> 01:12.403 way Smith and Smithism plays out in today's world, 01:12.400 --> 01:18.110 and how it contradicts in many respects what the great man 01:18.111 --> 01:21.421 actually said and meant to say. 01:21.420 --> 01:27.840 Before meeting two, meeting one. 01:27.840 --> 01:34.430 Meeting one really just said this: That the enormous surge in 01:34.426 --> 01:40.786 human wealth over the past 250 years has a great deal to do 01:40.793 --> 01:45.923 with capital, with the intelligent use of 01:45.917 --> 01:50.577 accumulated wealth in fresh production. 01:50.580 --> 01:58.990 That capitalism is a subset of the ways you can use capital, 01:58.989 --> 02:06.219 even socialism uses capital, even fascism uses capital, 02:06.218 --> 02:10.988 even squirrels and spiders in some sense or another use 02:10.986 --> 02:11.866 capital. 02:11.870 --> 02:16.510 But capitalism is the subspecies where wealth 02:16.512 --> 02:21.792 accumulated is deployed so as to create new wealth, 02:21.787 --> 02:26.637 and to do so in a competitive environment. 02:26.639 --> 02:32.309 And that second piece, capitalism, was not invented by 02:32.305 --> 02:39.065 some smart guy like Adam Smith, but rather evolved organically 02:39.068 --> 02:45.408 by trial and error, by experimentation, by failure. 02:45.410 --> 02:49.870 Indeed, if you look at a market society, one of its great 02:49.870 --> 02:54.330 features is that its history is littered with failure. 02:54.330 --> 03:02.180 Learning to analyze past success and past failure becomes 03:02.176 --> 03:04.836 a key part of it. 03:04.840 --> 03:09.580 That's the--one last point, and the "ism" 03:09.584 --> 03:15.464 in capitalism is not something, which originally was invented 03:15.463 --> 03:18.943 by its friends, by rather by its enemies. 03:18.938 --> 03:24.228 It was Marxism and other left wing movements in the early and 03:24.229 --> 03:29.339 middle nineteenth century whence the rhetoric of capitalism 03:29.342 --> 03:30.492 appeared. 03:30.490 --> 03:36.020 Indeed the word had no appearance whatever before that 03:36.022 --> 03:36.652 era. 03:36.650 --> 03:48.690 In meeting two we looked at the kinetic structure of the world 03:48.686 --> 03:50.656 economy. 03:50.660 --> 03:57.580 With this Hans Rosling diagram animated, 03:57.580 --> 04:01.760 it's still today, but animated so that life 04:01.758 --> 04:08.128 expectancy and income per capita could be seen moving dynamically 04:08.127 --> 04:14.347 across years, we discovered that the typical 04:14.354 --> 04:20.274 story is a surge north in the diagram, 04:20.269 --> 04:23.159 representing increased life expectancy, 04:23.160 --> 04:28.140 with slow progress in income per capita, 04:28.139 --> 04:33.609 and then a surge around the horn, so to speak, 04:33.610 --> 04:38.600 into the area upper right of long lives and relative 04:38.603 --> 04:39.783 affluence. 04:39.779 --> 04:43.599 And I asserted, and many of you agreed, 04:43.600 --> 04:47.490 that there's something unambiguously good about that 04:47.487 --> 04:50.357 change, that the world is a better 04:50.355 --> 04:53.265 place because that change happened. 04:53.269 --> 04:58.719 Now I didn't in the lecture lay any great stress on the caveats 04:58.721 --> 05:01.801 that people might attach to that. 05:01.800 --> 05:06.640 One of them is that it was accomplished, 05:06.639 --> 05:09.359 in considerable measure, through capital intensive 05:09.363 --> 05:13.523 industry, and highly capital intensive 05:13.516 --> 05:16.626 forms of transportation. 05:16.629 --> 05:19.649 And that these were, first of all, 05:19.653 --> 05:23.323 disruptive of the natural environment. 05:23.319 --> 05:28.929 There could be no doubt whatever that the revolution in 05:28.930 --> 05:34.440 the world economy left the planet more fragile than it 05:34.439 --> 05:35.789 found it. 05:35.790 --> 05:41.200 Indeed, poverty is a marvelous environmental policy, 05:41.204 --> 05:46.734 because where there is no demand there is very little 05:46.726 --> 05:48.316 disruption. 05:48.319 --> 05:57.689 Now we also looked at the world demographic transition. 05:57.690 --> 06:01.830 The world demographic transition, representing changes 06:01.829 --> 06:07.399 in rates of birth and death, death here in purple and birth 06:07.403 --> 06:10.963 in green, and the old Malthusian world, 06:10.961 --> 06:16.011 which still exists on parts of the globe but hasn't existed in 06:16.012 --> 06:20.322 the western world for a couple of hundred years, 06:20.319 --> 06:24.729 was characterized by very high birthrates and very high death 06:24.730 --> 06:25.320 rates. 06:25.319 --> 06:29.259 So you have essentially static total population, 06:29.262 --> 06:32.452 and very few people lived to be old. 06:32.449 --> 06:37.459 Then you have the change in the death rate occasioned by 06:37.459 --> 06:39.919 infrastructure, most of all, 06:39.920 --> 06:42.380 related to clean water. 06:42.379 --> 06:47.559 And when the death rate falls, the birthrate doesn't track 06:47.560 --> 06:48.470 with it. 06:48.470 --> 06:53.080 The birthrate lags in its change so there is a period, 06:53.079 --> 06:56.999 Phase II here, when deaths are falling sharply 06:56.995 --> 07:00.035 and births are statically high. 07:00.040 --> 07:02.880 In that period you get an enormous surge, 07:02.880 --> 07:06.930 you get indeed population growth at an increasing rate. 07:06.930 --> 07:12.600 You get the spike, which brought world population 07:12.603 --> 07:18.633 to its present level, is occasioned largely by Phase 07:18.632 --> 07:19.462 II. 07:19.459 --> 07:28.269 Phase III is the period during which the birthrate adjusts to 07:28.271 --> 07:30.771 the death rate. 07:30.769 --> 07:33.899 You still get growing population, but now at a 07:33.898 --> 07:35.218 diminishing rate. 07:35.220 --> 07:40.430 At Stage IV there's an equilibrium between births and 07:40.425 --> 07:44.025 deaths, and both have lower rates. 07:44.029 --> 07:51.719 So population is again static, and lives are much longer. 07:51.720 --> 07:59.780 Underneath that process, and this I merely hinted in 07:59.779 --> 08:05.159 meeting two, is a surge in the supply of 08:05.163 --> 08:11.973 labor, which occurs in Stages II and III and creates a buyer's 08:11.971 --> 08:14.651 market for employers. 08:14.649 --> 08:20.249 And by creating a buyer's market for employers it drives 08:20.247 --> 08:21.567 down wages. 08:21.569 --> 08:26.769 Real wages are really quite low during Phase II and Phase III in 08:26.774 --> 08:29.174 the history of the country. 08:29.170 --> 08:35.970 Capital, which is only in part related to demography, 08:35.970 --> 08:38.440 it has an independent life of its own, 08:38.440 --> 08:42.860 but capital begins to appreciate and be agglomerated 08:42.860 --> 08:47.020 in large quantities only late in this history. 08:47.019 --> 08:52.189 The places where you get huge build up of capital are 08:52.192 --> 08:58.362 typically places which are beginning or well into Stage IV, 08:58.360 --> 09:02.960 and if you want to be precise about it there is a Stage V, 09:02.960 --> 09:07.170 which is where the birthrate has actually fallen below the 09:07.166 --> 09:10.266 death rate, so that, as with Japan, 09:10.269 --> 09:13.469 Italy, Russia, and much of Eastern Europe, 09:13.469 --> 09:15.749 you have falling total population. 09:15.750 --> 09:19.670 Now there is another aspect to this that we'll pick up a month 09:19.668 --> 09:23.588 from now, which has to do with the age profile of the existing 09:23.586 --> 09:24.546 population. 09:24.548 --> 09:28.398 You can yourself what percentage of all the people in 09:28.403 --> 09:30.853 the country are of working age? 09:30.850 --> 09:36.230 You can figure from that a so-called dependency ratio. 09:36.230 --> 09:40.750 How many people too old to work and too young to work have to be 09:40.754 --> 09:44.924 supported by those who can work, who are of working age? 09:44.918 --> 09:50.628 And that ratio turns out to be a big determinant of economic 09:50.629 --> 09:51.499 growth. 09:51.500 --> 09:58.040 Whereas with China today, Ireland in the very recent 09:58.043 --> 10:01.283 past, you have a demographic sweet 10:01.277 --> 10:05.927 spot where there are relatively few old and young people, 10:05.928 --> 10:08.608 and almost everybody is in the working years. 10:08.610 --> 10:14.850 It's--that's a really low resistance profile. 10:14.850 --> 10:17.910 And then at the other side, the Japanese, 10:17.908 --> 10:22.558 where the number of elderly people who need to be supported 10:22.558 --> 10:27.288 is out of proportion to the size of the actual workforce. 10:27.288 --> 10:35.528 Beneath this--these curves related to capital and labor are 10:35.528 --> 10:42.628 just a few other things you want to think about. 10:42.629 --> 10:46.759 One is that you get much higher incomes in Phase IV than in 10:46.759 --> 10:47.969 earlier phases. 10:47.970 --> 10:51.200 It's partly because of capital concentration, 10:51.200 --> 10:57.890 but it's also because human capital in the form of trained 10:57.889 --> 11:01.009 ability, educated people, 11:01.014 --> 11:08.584 it becomes much easier to build a massive educational apparatus, 11:08.580 --> 11:12.660 a formal apparatus, and also an applied apparatus 11:12.658 --> 11:17.338 in the workforce where in 40 years of working in a given 11:17.335 --> 11:22.565 trade, people get really good at it. 11:22.570 --> 11:27.260 So that--that's another way in which the later stages of the 11:27.259 --> 11:32.029 world demographic transition are profitable, quite literally, 11:32.028 --> 11:33.378 to a country. 11:33.379 --> 11:38.349 Inequality tends to be highest in the emerging markets, 11:38.350 --> 11:43.140 because typically what you get is a mass of very poor people, 11:43.139 --> 11:47.789 and relatively small elite, which has found its way into 11:47.793 --> 11:49.913 capitalist development. 11:49.908 --> 11:53.408 Labor abundant, capital scarce, 11:53.413 --> 11:56.103 we talked about that. 11:56.100 --> 12:04.440 Insourcing and outsourcing, this is a very obvious point; 12:04.440 --> 12:09.490 Stage IV countries outsource tasks to Stage II and III 12:09.488 --> 12:13.488 countries because labor is much cheaper. 12:13.490 --> 12:20.740 The obverse of that is insourcing at the other end. 12:20.740 --> 12:24.860 And the main movement in Stage II and III countries actually 12:24.864 --> 12:27.664 has two parts: One is from countryside to 12:27.659 --> 12:30.679 city, because the opportunities of 12:30.684 --> 12:35.424 capital intensive enterprise are concentrated in cities; 12:35.418 --> 12:41.198 and from an out of Stage II and II countries into Stage IV 12:41.202 --> 12:42.422 countries. 12:42.418 --> 12:47.378 This is a classic pattern, which is highly visible today 12:47.384 --> 12:52.894 with the borders of the United States and Europe being crowded 12:52.890 --> 12:55.780 and not entirely controlled. 12:55.779 --> 12:59.119 And it was the same story 100 years ago, 12:59.120 --> 13:04.890 when southern and Eastern Europe were in Stage III and the 13:04.890 --> 13:10.660 United States was approaching Stage IV and immigration was 13:10.663 --> 13:11.983 enormous. 13:11.980 --> 13:14.110 My own family, on my father's side, 13:14.114 --> 13:17.194 were immigrants in the early twentieth century. 13:17.190 --> 13:22.300 Okay, so Smith's invisible hand. 13:22.298 --> 13:31.898 The question is: If its invisible how can we 13:31.899 --> 13:35.919 know it's there? 13:35.918 --> 13:41.478 There are various--there are several good New Yorker 13:41.481 --> 13:44.361 cartoons about that problem. 13:44.360 --> 13:47.850 One shows a group of well-dressed people gathered in 13:47.854 --> 13:52.034 a farm field Darien Connecticut looking out with binoculars to 13:52.033 --> 13:55.323 find the invisible hand, which has been reported to have 13:55.318 --> 13:55.988 appeared there. 13:55.990 --> 14:01.150 Another is a store with a sign across the front, 14:01.149 --> 14:03.589 "Store closing," and then a caption under the 14:03.591 --> 14:05.991 "store closing" sign: "Bitch-slapped by 14:05.988 --> 14:07.298 the invisible hand." 14:07.298 --> 14:22.878 The condition under which the invisible hand works is 14:22.883 --> 14:27.903 actually-- there are several things that 14:27.895 --> 14:30.575 have to be there for it to happen and let's just kind of 14:30.581 --> 14:31.511 inventory those. 14:31.509 --> 14:36.859 First is, you have to have an open market. 14:36.860 --> 14:40.730 It has to be a market where people can come in and begin to 14:40.734 --> 14:43.544 produce, or arrive and begin to consume. 14:43.538 --> 14:47.168 If it is regulated, for example, 14:47.169 --> 14:53.609 by tariffs or by a mafia, then that is the visible hand, 14:53.610 --> 14:59.700 and the invisible hand is blocked from its work. 14:59.700 --> 15:06.550 There needs to be no seller big enough to drive down--to control 15:06.548 --> 15:10.678 prices by, say, withholding product. 15:10.678 --> 15:17.778 There needs, third, to be no buyer--I've 15:17.778 --> 15:29.608 left out a step--no seller and no buyer able to control prices. 15:29.610 --> 15:34.050 What would make that--what kind of distribution of production 15:34.051 --> 15:37.161 and buying would be required to do that? 15:37.159 --> 15:41.569 Somebody near a mic. 15:41.570 --> 15:50.410 Got a mic? 15:50.409 --> 15:51.479 Student: A monopoly. 15:51.480 --> 15:55.150 Prof: A-- Student: A monopsony 15:55.153 --> 15:55.873 and a monopoly. 15:55.870 --> 15:57.540 Prof: Okay, those are the things you don't 15:57.538 --> 15:59.028 want if you want the invisible hand to work, 15:59.032 --> 15:59.382 right? 15:59.379 --> 16:02.059 What you want is somebody else? 16:02.058 --> 16:04.838 Student: Perfect competition. 16:04.840 --> 16:05.940 Prof: Yes? 16:05.940 --> 16:07.620 Student: Perfect competition. 16:07.620 --> 16:08.930 Prof: Okay, and perfect competition occurs 16:08.932 --> 16:09.262 when what? 16:09.259 --> 16:12.379 Student: When no buyer is big enough to control the 16:12.384 --> 16:12.874 market. 16:12.870 --> 16:13.960 Prof: Okay, but that's circular. 16:13.960 --> 16:18.560 So we need to put one step in between there. 16:18.558 --> 16:20.418 Student: When prices are independent. 16:20.418 --> 16:22.538 So the market itself sets the price. 16:22.538 --> 16:26.238 Prof: Well let's work at this. 16:26.240 --> 16:31.860 I showed a picture when I started this of a wheat field 16:31.861 --> 16:38.111 and I didn't show a picture of a car factory or Microsoft. 16:38.110 --> 16:42.740 The key fact is that you have a fine grain division of 16:42.740 --> 16:47.280 production and consumption so there are thousands and 16:47.283 --> 16:51.113 thousands of producers, thousands and thousands of 16:51.111 --> 16:54.511 consumers, no one of them big enough to 16:54.505 --> 16:56.175 game the market. 16:56.178 --> 17:01.368 If you're making--if you're producing wheat or rice, 17:01.366 --> 17:05.436 and you say, "The world price is too 17:05.435 --> 17:06.245 low. 17:06.250 --> 17:10.340 I'm going to drive it up by withholding this year's crop 17:10.336 --> 17:13.306 from my 100 acres," that's like, 17:13.308 --> 17:16.978 "Hit my hand," because you have no market 17:16.981 --> 17:17.571 power. 17:17.568 --> 17:21.728 No producer holds a pivotal private technology. 17:21.730 --> 17:30.210 And it's pretty obvious what's meant by that; 17:30.210 --> 17:34.100 a patented technology, or a trade secret which allows 17:34.102 --> 17:38.142 one producer to differentiate him or herself from other 17:38.144 --> 17:40.994 producers and dominate the market. 17:40.990 --> 17:43.960 There are the buyers. 17:43.960 --> 17:48.660 And perfect information, more or less truthful 17:48.663 --> 17:54.203 information across the whole market, and government to 17:54.204 --> 17:57.764 enforce property and contract. 17:57.759 --> 18:04.489 So with all those conditions in place, what Smith says about the 18:04.488 --> 18:07.798 invisible hand is, more or less, 18:07.798 --> 18:08.758 true. 18:08.759 --> 18:12.699 Let's see if I can find the quote. 18:12.700 --> 18:22.390 He talks about producers who are in this, 18:22.390 --> 18:25.390 "And many other cases, led by an invisible hand to 18:25.394 --> 18:28.794 promote the end, which they have no part of in 18:28.792 --> 18:29.612 intention. 18:29.608 --> 18:34.298 By pursuing his own interest, he frequently promotes that of 18:34.301 --> 18:38.601 society more effectually than when he really intends to 18:38.596 --> 18:39.786 promote it. 18:39.788 --> 18:43.578 I have never known much good to come from people trading in the 18:43.582 --> 18:45.542 name of the public good." 18:45.538 --> 18:51.878 The--on both the producer and the consumer side, 18:51.884 --> 18:56.614 there is a peculiar power vacuum. 18:56.608 --> 19:01.618 There is no one who can be said to have set the price of the 19:01.617 --> 19:04.417 good or determined its quality. 19:04.420 --> 19:10.150 It is decided collectively, and the Smithian idea there is 19:10.153 --> 19:16.493 actually the idea of general equilibrium in a market economy. 19:16.490 --> 19:18.600 The next phase of economic theory, 19:18.598 --> 19:22.638 neoclassical economics, formalizes this idea and makes 19:22.638 --> 19:26.688 it mathematically precise, and we'll look at it in a 19:26.686 --> 19:30.316 little while, but here it's important, 19:30.316 --> 19:36.736 first, just to get the context in which Smith writes about the 19:36.737 --> 19:41.997 invisible hand in The Wealth of Nations. 19:42.000 --> 19:45.470 Anybody able to provide us with the exact point he's trying to 19:45.473 --> 19:45.933 prove? 19:45.930 --> 19:56.800 Is there a hand somewhere? 19:56.798 --> 20:02.188 You're trying to set this guy up, I know that. 20:02.190 --> 20:04.360 Was there? 20:04.359 --> 20:06.079 Wave it please. 20:06.079 --> 20:11.829 Yes, you need the mic. 20:11.828 --> 20:14.908 Come on, guys, we got to manage the mic 20:14.910 --> 20:15.640 better. 20:15.640 --> 20:17.720 Where is it? 20:17.720 --> 20:19.650 Student: > 20:19.650 --> 20:22.320 Prof: Just--it doesn't work without the mic. 20:22.318 --> 20:29.198 Would one of you guys, just, kind of, 20:29.203 --> 20:36.283 stay standing and get it to people? 20:36.279 --> 20:37.069 Student: > 20:37.068 --> 20:38.458 point that nations shouldn't impose tariffs. 20:38.460 --> 20:41.860 Prof: Okay, he's arguing against tariffs 20:41.859 --> 20:43.929 and for free trade, right? 20:43.930 --> 20:49.500 And why do--why is that an argumentative point for him? 20:49.500 --> 20:50.880 Why are there tariffs? 20:50.880 --> 20:53.600 Student: Because the nations thought that they were 20:53.603 --> 20:55.393 protecting their economies by enforcing 20:55.387 --> 20:56.747 > 20:56.750 --> 20:58.820 Prof: Okay, and who were they helping to 20:58.818 --> 21:00.928 reach that--who helped the nations to reach that 21:00.933 --> 21:01.613 conclusion? 21:01.608 --> 21:04.338 Student: Other economists? 21:04.338 --> 21:07.748 Prof: Well, yeah, sort of. 21:07.750 --> 21:09.820 I'm fishing for something a little different. 21:09.818 --> 21:12.928 Let's pass the mic over to--is it "The violin 21:12.930 --> 21:14.010 question?" 21:14.009 --> 21:18.139 "The viola question;" okay, my wife is a violist. 21:18.140 --> 21:20.300 Student: Well, I guess the predominant 21:20.304 --> 21:23.294 economic philosophy at the time when Adam Smith was writing was 21:23.286 --> 21:25.646 mercantilism-- Prof: Mercantilism, yes. 21:25.650 --> 21:27.820 Student: > 21:27.818 --> 21:28.748 mercantilism, which is, you know, 21:28.748 --> 21:29.848 accumulate as much gold as possible; 21:29.848 --> 21:31.958 become the richest, you know, individual through 21:31.963 --> 21:33.443 that regard, which means, 21:33.435 --> 21:35.955 you know, not really importing much, 21:35.960 --> 21:39.720 and thus, really focusing on supporting domestic development. 21:39.720 --> 21:41.660 Prof: Okay, good, that's excellent. 21:41.660 --> 21:44.330 Smith was anti-mercantilist. 21:44.329 --> 21:46.469 He was a free trader. 21:46.470 --> 21:51.670 And the people who had a concrete interest in tariff 21:51.665 --> 21:57.775 imposition--who would have a strong self interest in that? 21:57.779 --> 21:59.299 Let's get the mic over here. 21:59.298 --> 22:02.708 I think one of you TAs really needs to just stand up and MC 22:02.712 --> 22:03.422 the thing. 22:03.420 --> 22:06.210 Student: Domestic merchants and manufacturers. 22:06.210 --> 22:09.080 Prof: Well, certainly manufacturers, 22:09.082 --> 22:09.632 right? 22:09.630 --> 22:13.220 Domestic manufacturers, who are in some way or another, 22:13.219 --> 22:15.279 not competitive with imports. 22:15.278 --> 22:19.808 And Smith has this wonderful passage, I think it's near this, 22:19.809 --> 22:23.359 where he talks about how you could, in Scotland, 22:23.357 --> 22:25.017 produce good wine. 22:25.019 --> 22:29.789 You'd have to have hot houses and many other special and very 22:29.794 --> 22:34.654 expensive accoutrements. But for about thirty times the 22:34.652 --> 22:37.812 price--the production price of France, Spain, 22:37.809 --> 22:41.039 or Italy, you could produce Scottish wine. 22:41.038 --> 22:46.408 But it would be a foolish betrayal of the public interest 22:46.411 --> 22:51.781 to put up a tariff so that you could then sell that wine, 22:51.782 --> 22:53.992 worth $2, for $200. 22:53.990 --> 22:58.060 And that's the center of his argument, right. 22:58.058 --> 23:02.358 He begins at the micro level with the butcher, 23:02.357 --> 23:07.707 the baker, and the brewer, which is a metaphor that rings 23:07.708 --> 23:10.668 true for most of us, right? 23:10.670 --> 23:16.200 Why is the produce fresh in the little market on Orange Street 23:16.200 --> 23:17.560 in New Haven? 23:17.558 --> 23:22.308 The main reason is because there are two little markets in 23:22.308 --> 23:23.308 New Haven. 23:23.308 --> 23:27.198 If it were just one, thirty-six hour old lettuce 23:27.199 --> 23:29.019 would be marketable. 23:29.019 --> 23:32.189 But with two, one of whom drives to New York 23:32.194 --> 23:35.744 every morning at 3:00, that just doesn't work. 23:35.740 --> 23:42.440 So that Smith talks about the self-interest axiom as the 23:42.439 --> 23:47.189 driver for promoting the common good. 23:47.190 --> 23:52.540 Now I'm going to invite Jim Alexander to come on up and 23:52.538 --> 23:57.688 we'll just stand and--let's actually sit and talk. 23:57.690 --> 24:04.170 Some of you have been introduced to Jim Alexander, 24:04.167 --> 24:09.587 and for others, I'll introduce him now. 24:09.588 --> 24:14.878 Jim is a good friend, and was--had a twenty year 24:14.877 --> 24:21.377 career in investment banking, and after that a stint as Chief 24:21.378 --> 24:25.488 Financial Officer of Enron Global Power & 24:25.493 --> 24:29.633 Pipeline, which was indeed one of the 24:29.628 --> 24:34.278 famous partnerships in the Enron meltdown. 24:34.279 --> 24:41.009 He was a straight shooter; as the best book on the Enron 24:41.013 --> 24:45.603 meltdown calls him, the "fly in the 24:45.602 --> 24:49.582 ointment," and went off to co-found 24:49.584 --> 24:53.964 Spinnaker Exploration, which later became a public 24:53.957 --> 24:54.527 company. 24:54.529 --> 25:01.179 Jim is going to be part of this course from time to time and I 25:01.176 --> 25:06.866 thought maybe, to bring the discussion down 25:06.873 --> 25:11.733 from the clouds here, I would ask Jim: 25:11.730 --> 25:17.150 Is the ghost of Adam Smith alive in the boardroom in 25:17.147 --> 25:19.377 corporate America? 25:19.380 --> 25:24.910 Jim Alexander: Well, the self-image of 25:24.906 --> 25:27.606 Adam Smith is alive. 25:27.608 --> 25:31.938 The ideology that would be espoused is that of Adam Smith. 25:31.940 --> 25:36.940 The substance is not there, I believe, but most of the 25:36.936 --> 25:42.406 people would pass the polygraph test that they believe it's 25:42.406 --> 25:43.346 there. 25:43.349 --> 25:45.229 Prof: Okay, that's good. 25:45.230 --> 25:48.670 Now let's--here's an interesting exercise. 25:48.670 --> 25:51.730 There are about a dozen MBAs in the group here. 25:51.730 --> 26:01.890 Every MBA--every MBA period, has learned the Porter Forces. 26:01.890 --> 26:05.710 What are the Porter Forces? 26:05.710 --> 26:09.940 The Porter Forces are the rules of thumb you need to make above 26:09.943 --> 26:12.133 average profits within a firm. 26:12.130 --> 26:15.080 One of them is: You don't want too much 26:15.075 --> 26:17.705 competition--direct competition. 26:17.710 --> 26:20.250 Direct competition erodes profits. 26:20.250 --> 26:23.520 You want high barriers to entry. 26:23.519 --> 26:28.609 You don't want powerful buyers who can drive down your price 26:28.611 --> 26:30.511 through negotiating. 26:30.509 --> 26:33.339 For example, tire companies face very 26:33.340 --> 26:36.960 powerful buyers in automobile manufacturers. 26:36.960 --> 26:39.820 You want to avoid situations like that. 26:39.818 --> 26:43.778 You also want to be able to control your suppliers so they 26:43.779 --> 26:47.879 can't see you making profits and then demand their share. 26:47.880 --> 26:51.430 Now just think for a second. 26:51.430 --> 26:55.000 How do the Porter Forces align with the conditions that I 26:54.997 --> 26:58.757 sketched five minutes ago for the operation of the invisible 26:58.756 --> 26:59.326 hand? 26:59.328 --> 27:03.638 In the back, you've got to be really loud 27:03.644 --> 27:06.734 because the-- Student: They're the 27:06.730 --> 27:07.510 exact opposite. 27:07.509 --> 27:10.729 Prof: They are essentially the exact opposite. 27:10.730 --> 27:16.270 The name in business speak for operating under the control of 27:16.265 --> 27:20.965 the invisible hand is "commodity hell." 27:20.970 --> 27:26.580 Commodity hell being that you're producing something which 27:26.582 --> 27:30.622 thousands of other people can produce, 27:30.618 --> 27:33.508 and they can produce it as cheaply and as well as you can, 27:33.509 --> 27:39.169 and so the available pricing strategies to you are-- 27:39.170 --> 27:41.120 none of them involve high profits. 27:41.118 --> 27:47.728 One of the fundamental axioms of business management-- 27:47.730 --> 27:49.950 and I'm not making a moral condemnation, 27:49.950 --> 27:53.130 I'm just making an observation that there is a strong tension 27:53.134 --> 27:57.864 here-- that the pursuit of actual--the 27:57.861 --> 28:03.691 actual submission to the invisible hand-- 28:03.690 --> 28:10.250 is contrary to the very basis of corporate strategy. 28:10.250 --> 28:18.310 Jim, talk a little from your experience about the intelligent 28:18.306 --> 28:25.416 use of the Porter Forces by management strategists--or 28:25.423 --> 28:27.843 unintelligent. 28:27.838 --> 28:30.658 Jim Alexander: Well from the latter-- 28:30.660 --> 28:34.400 but basically no one ever wants to get into an Adam Smith type 28:34.402 --> 28:36.292 of market, and if you're in it, 28:36.291 --> 28:37.331 you get out of it. 28:37.329 --> 28:40.259 Because there's--it's ruinous. 28:40.259 --> 28:49.129 And the only way you can affect change in that type of market is 28:49.131 --> 28:56.151 to do what Adam Smith suggested, and that is make some sort of 28:56.154 --> 29:01.294 national security argument why-- in fact, while Smith's views 29:01.290 --> 29:04.830 are very well and fine in general, 29:04.828 --> 29:08.218 you need, and the country more especially needs, 29:08.220 --> 29:14.170 to have defense against foreign imports or ruinous competition. 29:14.170 --> 29:16.920 I think the sugar producers were able to pull that off 29:16.916 --> 29:19.916 pretty neatly and can make a national security argument for 29:19.923 --> 29:24.483 it for sugar quotas, but you never tolerate an Adam 29:24.478 --> 29:27.518 Smith level of competition. 29:27.519 --> 29:30.609 Prof: Okay, and if you look at-- 29:30.608 --> 29:34.148 I ordered Thank You For Smoking, 29:34.150 --> 29:37.510 Christopher Buckley's book, as an option for this course, 29:37.509 --> 29:40.549 but I'm told all of you have seen the movie, 29:40.549 --> 29:42.169 which I haven't. 29:42.170 --> 29:44.480 Is the movie any good? 29:44.480 --> 29:45.830 Student: Yes. 29:45.828 --> 29:47.338 Prof: Okay, you should all look at the 29:47.336 --> 29:47.606 movie. 29:47.608 --> 29:53.268 And the book is all about the way corporations, 29:53.269 --> 29:56.199 including those which make, in this case, 29:56.200 --> 29:58.950 cigarettes, booze, and firearms, 29:58.951 --> 30:03.461 but mostly cigarettes, have elaborate representation 30:03.461 --> 30:08.441 in Washington and promote their own interests through the law. 30:08.440 --> 30:09.850 It's not a big surprise. 30:09.848 --> 30:17.168 But the tension between the idealized theory of the market 30:17.172 --> 30:22.442 and that practice is a very strong one. 30:22.440 --> 30:25.070 Incidentally, Smith was very critical of the 30:25.070 --> 30:28.990 corporations, which existed in his time, 30:28.990 --> 30:35.320 and he was critical of them for partly the reason we just 30:35.323 --> 30:41.883 articulated: That they can control pricing and impose their 30:41.883 --> 30:45.053 product by that method. 30:45.048 --> 30:48.528 But more, Smith thought, that the people running the 30:48.531 --> 30:51.541 corporations, which existed at that time were 30:51.536 --> 30:53.376 thoroughly incompetent. 30:53.380 --> 30:56.580 And that's, of course, because the Yale School of 30:56.577 --> 30:59.107 Management had not yet been founded. 30:59.108 --> 31:03.638 In actual fact there is a fundamental problem about 31:03.637 --> 31:07.527 corporations and their management called the 31:07.532 --> 31:10.162 principal-agency problem. 31:10.160 --> 31:16.080 The gist of that problem is that managers, 31:16.078 --> 31:21.698 left to their own devices, will tend to take a company 31:21.703 --> 31:24.443 where-- in a direction which is best 31:24.443 --> 31:28.203 for them individually and not necessarily for the broad body 31:28.204 --> 31:32.694 of shareholders, and so the control over that 31:32.692 --> 31:38.892 tendency gets to be one of the major dramatic themes in 31:38.888 --> 31:40.838 business life. 31:40.838 --> 31:46.368 Jim you've been near some management, which had rent 31:46.365 --> 31:48.635 seeking tendencies. 31:48.640 --> 31:51.600 Jim Alexander: Well, let me come back to 31:51.596 --> 31:56.046 something else, and that is that at least one 31:56.046 --> 32:02.446 of the sections Smith has revolves around the butcher, 32:02.450 --> 32:07.100 the brewer, and the baker, and how it's much more reliable 32:07.098 --> 32:11.748 to rely on their self interest than their benevolence, 32:11.750 --> 32:14.360 which is true. 32:14.358 --> 32:17.728 There is--I think there is an embedded assumption which he 32:17.727 --> 32:20.487 doesn't go into, and that is: 32:20.490 --> 32:26.580 he cites examples of what are-- at least at the time, 32:26.575 --> 32:31.125 where a single proprietor sort of business is marketing a 32:31.125 --> 32:35.835 product which was directly consumed by individuals who knew 32:35.836 --> 32:39.946 the proprietors well, and understood what good meat 32:39.950 --> 32:42.070 was from meat that wasn't good. 32:42.068 --> 32:50.828 And that also is increasingly irrelevant since his time, 32:50.828 --> 32:53.928 because one of the most important things, 32:53.930 --> 32:57.240 I thought, in one of your slides, was that there be 32:57.241 --> 32:58.701 perfect information. 32:58.700 --> 33:01.850 And on top of that, an embedded assumption there is 33:01.853 --> 33:04.943 that there has to be perfect information perfectly 33:04.942 --> 33:05.892 understood. 33:05.890 --> 33:07.660 Prof: Absolutely. 33:07.660 --> 33:09.610 Jim Alexander: In fact one of the-- 33:09.608 --> 33:13.798 and having come from finance, it's sort of the highest form 33:13.795 --> 33:17.755 of art is to have information which in retrospect can be 33:17.762 --> 33:21.702 defended as reliable, but prospectively is virtually 33:21.698 --> 33:22.588 meaningless. 33:22.588 --> 33:27.228 One of the ways we can--that it really becomes very important in 33:27.226 --> 33:29.926 practice, forget about Smithian ideals, 33:29.932 --> 33:33.332 is to make sure that you have colorable information, 33:33.328 --> 33:36.858 colorable voluntary transactions, 33:36.855 --> 33:41.225 but in fact, they are, practically speaking, 33:41.233 --> 33:44.433 not voluntary, and, practically speaking, 33:44.426 --> 33:45.386 not informed. 33:45.390 --> 33:49.670 On top of that you start having principal-agent issues. 33:49.670 --> 33:52.720 Let's take the butcher, for example, 33:52.720 --> 33:57.370 one butcher in a little village deals with people he knows, 33:57.368 --> 34:00.528 so there's social constraints, and there's also-- 34:00.528 --> 34:02.168 it's fairly easy if it's one butcher, 34:02.170 --> 34:06.460 to trace any illnesses that result. 34:06.460 --> 34:10.250 And he has a relatively unmarketable asset, 34:10.253 --> 34:14.953 which is his interest in his private butcher shop; 34:14.949 --> 34:18.739 very hard to sell, so he must count on long term 34:18.744 --> 34:23.474 profit maximization; not short term, but long term. 34:23.469 --> 34:28.169 Now let's imagine that you had a--I don't think (inaudible) 34:28.168 --> 34:32.948 processer is public at this point but let's imagine that you 34:32.949 --> 34:37.649 had a butcher business which was owned by the public, 34:37.650 --> 34:39.540 controlled by a small group of managers. 34:39.539 --> 34:43.329 And furthermore let's assume, and it's actually a pretty good 34:43.333 --> 34:45.733 assumption, that you had a group of 34:45.726 --> 34:49.526 semi-knowledgeable mutual fund managers who rewarded people 34:49.525 --> 34:53.385 with huge gains in their share value if they were able, 34:53.389 --> 34:57.869 reliably, to hit their quarterly earnings estimate and 34:57.871 --> 35:00.281 punish them, of course, if anything went 35:00.275 --> 35:00.565 wrong. 35:00.570 --> 35:04.060 Under those circumstances, assuming that the investing 35:04.061 --> 35:08.281 public really didn't understand the dynamics of the business, 35:08.280 --> 35:14.140 and assuming that you could make satisfactory short term 35:14.139 --> 35:17.339 goals, maybe making 100 times the 35:17.344 --> 35:22.354 average income of the typical worker every couple weeks, 35:22.349 --> 35:27.269 then you would be incentivized, unless you were very risk 35:27.268 --> 35:29.428 adverse to, for example, 35:29.432 --> 35:34.022 being able to buy tainted meat and then be able to make some 35:34.019 --> 35:36.529 extra pennies, beat your numbers, 35:36.534 --> 35:38.644 get a big upgrade in your stock, 35:38.639 --> 35:41.219 if you have a lot of options you have a very highly leveraged 35:41.219 --> 35:43.849 wealth situation, then make enough money in the 35:43.853 --> 35:46.893 short term, where you could live--maybe buy 35:46.889 --> 35:51.159 a small country or live with gravy for the rest of your life 35:51.155 --> 35:54.545 on a basis which was sufficiently confusing that 35:54.552 --> 35:57.302 you're unlikely to be prosecuted. 35:57.300 --> 35:59.940 That's my experience as to how it works. 35:59.940 --> 36:04.460 I realize that it's a small sliver and it is oriented toward 36:04.456 --> 36:06.866 finance, which is the worst part of 36:06.871 --> 36:09.891 American business, but that's in fact how I've 36:09.889 --> 36:10.829 seen it work. 36:10.829 --> 36:13.429 No theories, it's just how it works, 36:13.429 --> 36:16.769 so people believe, and yet the same people who 36:16.766 --> 36:21.286 would do this would spout and believe every bit of it the same 36:21.289 --> 36:25.959 type of Smithian idealism you see here: the invisible hand. 36:25.960 --> 36:28.640 My experience is that the invisible hand typically is 36:28.643 --> 36:31.073 picking someone's pocket, not creating value. 36:31.070 --> 36:36.140 And in fact, the last--I remember talking to 36:36.143 --> 36:43.103 the senior Republic staffer at The House Energy and Commerce 36:43.103 --> 36:47.273 Committee and making-- Prof: Jim is, 36:47.273 --> 36:49.443 by the way, I believe you are a Republican. 36:49.440 --> 36:50.990 Jim Alexander: Used to be. 36:50.989 --> 36:52.189 Prof: Okay. 36:52.190 --> 36:53.350 Jim Alexander: Used to be; 36:53.349 --> 36:55.539 this is kind of why I used to be. 36:55.539 --> 36:58.659 I'm up talking to the lead Republican staffer at The House 36:58.664 --> 37:01.794 Energy and Commerce Committee and saying at one point that 37:01.789 --> 37:04.529 capitalism justifies itself by creating real, 37:04.530 --> 37:05.950 not illusory, value. 37:05.949 --> 37:08.169 To which he replied, "Well you're nothing but a 37:08.173 --> 37:08.963 communist." 37:08.960 --> 37:13.570 That, in fact, is the problem. 37:13.570 --> 37:17.850 Under Smithian assumptions about long-term honesty, 37:17.849 --> 37:21.449 long-term interests in real value creation, 37:21.445 --> 37:23.495 it worked perfectly. 37:23.500 --> 37:27.240 It's just that when those assumptions start to erode, 37:27.244 --> 37:29.264 it turns into a nightmare. 37:29.260 --> 37:32.140 Prof: Okay terrific. 37:32.139 --> 37:34.799 Georgios, I'm going to call on you in a moment for a one 37:34.804 --> 37:35.584 sentence read. 37:35.579 --> 37:39.079 Here's the proposition that we now want to look at. 37:39.079 --> 37:44.509 Smith--here's an apparent but not real paradox. 37:44.510 --> 37:50.190 Adam Smith says self-interest is the main motive for what 37:50.190 --> 37:52.320 people actually do. 37:52.320 --> 37:57.050 And yet, he led a life, which didn't begin to maximize 37:57.050 --> 37:59.640 his own material interests. 37:59.639 --> 38:04.449 He lived modestly, he worked diligently, 38:04.449 --> 38:13.029 and he never became a wealthy man, so if he believed it for 38:13.032 --> 38:16.592 mankind, how come he didn't practice it 38:16.585 --> 38:17.415 for himself? 38:17.420 --> 38:21.310 Well, Richard-- Student: I just wanted 38:21.313 --> 38:24.583 to add I think it's probably the way you define self-interest. 38:24.579 --> 38:27.659 Self-interest to one person may not be the same to another, 38:27.659 --> 38:31.889 so while you just associate it with wealth and material goods, 38:31.889 --> 38:34.069 to someone else it's not necessarily someone else's 38:34.070 --> 38:35.380 definition of self interest. 38:35.380 --> 38:37.150 Prof: Fair enough, that's a good point. 38:37.150 --> 38:40.660 The other side of it is that Wealth of Nations was 38:40.659 --> 38:43.669 Smith's second main book, and it wasn't the book, 38:43.666 --> 38:46.546 which made him famous in his own lifetime. 38:46.550 --> 38:49.230 The Theory of Moral Sentiments is the book, 38:49.231 --> 38:51.641 which made him famous in his own lifetime. 38:51.639 --> 38:54.959 And Georgios, will you read us, 38:54.960 --> 39:01.380 please, in good strong voice, the first sentence of Smith's 39:01.378 --> 39:03.038 first book? 39:03.039 --> 39:14.179 Thanks very much Leslie. 39:14.179 --> 39:16.369 Student: "How selfish, so ever, 39:16.367 --> 39:18.607 man may be supposed, there are evidently some 39:18.605 --> 39:21.655 principles in his nature which interest him in the fortune of 39:21.657 --> 39:24.507 others, and render their happiness 39:24.512 --> 39:27.362 necessary to him, though he derives nothing from 39:27.362 --> 39:29.202 it except the pleasure of seeing it." 39:29.199 --> 39:32.129 Prof: Okay, now read it one more time. 39:32.130 --> 39:33.910 Student: "How selfish, 39:33.909 --> 39:37.589 so ever, man may be supposed, there are evidently some 39:37.585 --> 39:41.745 principles in his nature which interest him in the fortune of 39:41.746 --> 39:44.226 others, and render their happiness 39:44.231 --> 39:47.351 necessary to him, though he derives nothing from 39:47.349 --> 39:50.089 it except the pleasure of seeing it." 39:50.090 --> 39:54.180 Prof: Okay, so Smith actually believed that 39:54.179 --> 39:58.519 we were a complicated mix, and I think he's right. 39:58.518 --> 40:02.958 He believed that there is a pro-social element in almost 40:02.963 --> 40:04.583 every human being. 40:04.579 --> 40:10.059 There is an innate sympathy for others, which almost everyone 40:10.059 --> 40:15.269 has, and at the same time, a tendency to feather one's own 40:15.266 --> 40:16.086 nest. 40:16.090 --> 40:20.730 Now I don't know anyone who is just one of those two things. 40:20.730 --> 40:25.380 I don't know anyone who is a pure egotist. 40:25.380 --> 40:27.720 Jim Alexander: Me. 40:27.719 --> 40:29.439 Prof: You do? 40:29.440 --> 40:36.430 My goodness; not even generous to his aged 40:36.427 --> 40:39.387 mother or-- Jim Alexander: 40:39.385 --> 40:40.575 What's she done for him? 40:40.579 --> 40:44.909 Prof: Okay, well there may be some but 40:44.914 --> 40:47.974 there aren't a hell of a lot. 40:47.969 --> 40:51.939 Smith--this is characteristic of Smith--Smith is not a 40:51.940 --> 40:52.840 dogmatist. 40:52.840 --> 41:00.470 Smith is a careful observer who draws as much from the evidence 41:00.467 --> 41:02.187 as is there. 41:02.190 --> 41:07.970 Now this is a map which links Smith forward to the next 41:07.971 --> 41:14.101 historical period, namely the period when world 41:14.099 --> 41:18.159 trade got serious, and the period, 41:18.159 --> 41:21.769 which we will discuss in Monday's class, 41:21.768 --> 41:24.468 when Marx and Engels were writing The Communist 41:24.467 --> 41:25.347 Manifesto. 41:25.349 --> 41:30.649 The picture on the board is the world railroad grid, 41:30.650 --> 41:36.100 and if you think about Smith's story about how wealth depends 41:36.097 --> 41:40.347 on the division of labor, it works only where you have a 41:40.353 --> 41:43.393 large market, and he makes that point at 41:43.389 --> 41:44.059 length. 41:44.059 --> 41:47.499 In the period, which begins in the middle 41:47.503 --> 41:50.743 1800s, it really begins about 1840, 41:50.739 --> 41:55.569 in that period really large markets became accessible to 41:55.574 --> 42:01.204 everyone located in the dense part of the world railway grid. 42:01.199 --> 42:06.729 And toward the end of the semester, we'll be dealing with 42:06.726 --> 42:11.556 the problem of economic development in places like 42:11.563 --> 42:12.553 these. 42:12.550 --> 42:18.140 If you look at the way the railroads developed there, 42:18.144 --> 42:24.174 they all developed to reach ocean ports for the export of 42:24.170 --> 42:27.400 products to world markets. 42:27.400 --> 42:31.990 The density of connection required for the internal 42:31.989 --> 42:37.129 development of large markets was by and large missing. 42:37.130 --> 42:44.480 Okay, now--I think I'll just finish with Adam Smith's story 42:44.481 --> 42:50.191 about the pin making, and what happened in the 42:50.186 --> 42:52.846 pin-making story. 42:52.849 --> 42:56.509 I actually didn't have you read this because it's something 42:56.507 --> 43:00.417 everybody--I think everybody learns this one in high school. 43:00.420 --> 43:05.410 The division of labor for Smith is illustrated by a group of 43:05.413 --> 43:07.363 artisans making pins. 43:07.360 --> 43:14.150 One person gets really good at drawing the wire out straight, 43:14.150 --> 43:17.630 another person at hammering a head onto the wire, 43:17.630 --> 43:20.210 another person at making the point sharp, 43:20.210 --> 43:22.360 another person at polishing the shaft. 43:22.360 --> 43:27.440 And by division of labor and development of expertise, 43:27.440 --> 43:31.170 they can produce more pins of higher quality than a single 43:31.173 --> 43:34.713 artisan doing each of those operations by himself could 43:34.711 --> 43:36.221 possibly have done. 43:36.219 --> 43:39.849 It's a good illustration. 43:39.849 --> 43:44.929 And if you think about all the professions and occupations in 43:44.925 --> 43:48.635 an economy, that kind of profiting--that 43:48.635 --> 43:52.685 way of profiting from specialized expertise is 43:52.693 --> 43:56.033 foundational to market societies, 43:56.030 --> 43:58.240 foundational to their wealth. 43:58.239 --> 44:02.709 Now the actual fate of the pin machine is interesting, 44:02.708 --> 44:05.068 and personal to my family. 44:05.070 --> 44:11.520 It turns out that in 1831, a New York physician named John 44:11.519 --> 44:17.519 Ireland Howe began to tinker with the idea of making a 44:17.518 --> 44:24.308 machine where wire went in one end and polished pins came out 44:24.309 --> 44:28.269 the other in their thousands. 44:28.268 --> 44:33.218 By 1851 he perfected what was called the Howe Pin Machine. 44:33.219 --> 44:37.079 There's a room in the Smithsonian to this day where a 44:37.079 --> 44:41.309 Howe Pin Machine sits and a movie of its operation goes on 44:41.309 --> 44:42.349 behind it. 44:42.349 --> 44:44.759 Well John Ireland Howe, I won't brag again in this 44:44.759 --> 44:47.269 semester, was my five over great 44:47.268 --> 44:50.498 grandfather, and the family began pissing 44:50.500 --> 44:54.410 away the money right away, and completed the task just in 44:54.414 --> 44:55.624 time for my birth. 44:55.619 --> 45:02.389 The slides include a formalization of equilibrium 45:02.389 --> 45:10.289 theory with an Edgeworth box and indifference curves, 45:10.289 --> 45:12.429 and all that, but I don't think we have time 45:12.425 --> 45:15.165 to do them here, and I urge you to review them 45:15.172 --> 45:20.232 before the midterm, on ClassesV2. 45:20.230 --> 45:23.520 On Wednesday--on Monday, rather, we'll do The 45:23.518 --> 45:28.348 Communist Manifesto, and on Wednesday we'll do Hayek 45:28.346 --> 45:32.226 and The Constitution of Liberty, 45:32.230 --> 45:36.950 so we'll see two ends of the ideological perspective in a 45:36.945 --> 45:40.195 single week, and after that we'll spend four 45:40.197 --> 45:42.377 straight weeks on business cases. 45:42.380 --> 45:43.000 back to top 45:43.000 --> 45:48.000